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I been searching around online, Crizal Advance seems to be the better choice compared to the lenscrafter alternative(it was un-named in the 2008 posting). My question is are are the Featherwate Complete in comparison to Crizal advance? Has lens crafters upgraded their technology to match?

For reference this is the post,

Q: Doesn't LensCrafters also offer an AR with the Scotchgard brand name?
A: Yes they do- but the product offers neither the improved hydrophobic performance nor the anti-particulate features of Crizal Avance with Scotchgard Protector. Additionally, the Crizal name will remain exclusively with private eye care practitioners. Eye care practitioners offer many products that share a brand used by retailers (Zeiss AR, Transitions, etc.). The new Crizal Avance with Scotchgard Protector product allows eye care practitioners to take advantage of an extremely well-known consumer brand in Scotchgard with a product superior to that which can be found at competitor locations. Additionally, competitor locations will not have the power of the Crizal brand.

The goal being to increase AR sales in the US (which is good for everyone- eye care practitioners, Essilor, and consumers who will be seeing better through lenses that are durable and easy to clean).

Some will choose to squabble and complain about the marketplace- others will take advantage of a superior product and consumer brand to increase their AR sales... For the former, Crizal, Crizal Alize, Crizal Sun, and Crizal Alize with Clear Guard will remain available.

I am not an optometrist, but just someone who likes to research the stuff. I haven't personally compared the two, but Crizal certainly seems to have one of the best reputations in the industry, especially for anti-reflective lenses. When it comes to Scotchguard, though, the best information is probably what you see on the 3M website: 3M information about Scotchguard Eyewear.

Basically, both the Crizal Advance and the Featherwate Complete have scotchguard coatings. 3M says both repel dust, dirt, and water. 3M does say that the Crizal Advance with Scotchguard Protector "Repels smudges, fingerprints, water, and dirt better than any other lens". I assume that also includes the Featherwate Complete with Scotchguard.

I'm not sure what the person's background was whom you quoted, but unless someone actually works for Scotchguard or has spoken to the people who makes the lenses, I don't know how they can know that the Featherwate Complete with Scotchguard has "neither the improved hydrophobic performance nor the anti-particulate features of Crizal Avance with Scotchgard Protector". It seems to me the lenses are probably pretty similar.

My own uneducated opinion, as a consumer, is that much of this is marketing.

I found the original quote you included in this thread. The person who posted the message is Pete Hanlin, an employee of Essilor of America. Crizal is a brand name made by Essilor, so obviously an Essilor employee will be biased towards their own product. That isn't to say the information isn't accurate, it just means you have to be aware of who is making the claims. I am still looking to see if there is any independent lab that compares all of these different claims.

It looks like Lenscrafters actually had the exclusive right to market the Scotchguard coatings for several years and it is only more recently that another company is using the Scotchguard name (Essilor using it with their Crizal lens).

I am also guessing that you can get the Essilor lense with Scotchguard at a better price through a private optometrist than what you would be getting with the Featherwate Complete from Lenscrafters. I see no reason not to go with the less expensive product, especially in this case where it seems there are at least reasonably credible claims that the Essilor product is superior.

I'd be curious to hear what Lenscrafters has to say about the differences between their lens and the Essilor product.

george wrote:I found the original quote you included in this thread. The person who posted the message is Pete Hanlin, an employee of Essilor of America. Crizal is a brand name made by Essilor, so obviously an Essilor employee will be biased towards their own product. That isn't to say the information isn't accurate, it just means you have to be aware of who is making the claims. I am still looking to see if there is any independent lab that compares all of these different claims.

It looks like Lenscrafters actually had the exclusive right to market the Scotchguard coatings for several years and it is only more recently that another company is using the Scotchguard name (Essilor using it with their Crizal lens).

I am also guessing that you can get the Essilor lense with Scotchguard at a better price through a private optometrist than what you would be getting with the Featherwate Complete from Lenscrafters. I see no reason not to go with the less expensive product, especially in this case where it seems there are at least reasonably credible claims that the Essilor product is superior.

I'd be curious to hear what Lenscrafters has to say about the differences between their lens and the Essilor product.

Yea, it is disappointing that there is really no independent testing or review of either lens. I take everything I read online with a grain of salt, which is why I have been looking for actual testimony or actual testing. There are quite a few Crizal demonstrations online but none for Featherwates. Lenscrafters doesn't seem to want to educate on their lens choices besides the simple basic information.

I have never been to a private eye doctor so unsure of what the costs will be(no insurance yet). All I know is I have been with normal lens since the age of 8-9 and completely tired of extreme smudging and glare. I am a heavy computer user so the NEED is there. I was thinking of Lasik in the near future but the technology is still too young and far too risky. I only have one set of eyes so I rather be safe than end up as one of their dead end horror stories(however rare they may be) and this is where this kind of lens comes into play. It wasn't till this weekend that I even knew I had the options, they don't properly market these products in the big chains. They seem to care more about style than anything else.

If you have no insurance, I'd definitely stay away from Lenscrafters, as I'm sure they are far more expensive than what you can find elsewhere. I think you mainly are paying for the luxury of getting your glasses within the hour. I'm sure the lenses you can get elsewhere are at least as good of quality if not better. Based on the post you quoted, it does seem to suggest that the Crizal with Scothguard is superior to the Featherwate Complete.

I decided to go ahead with the Crizal advance, the price was definitely right. I should have them anytime between saturday and tuesday, i'll come back and tell ya how it works out.

All I know is I am using a temp free pair at the moment, and i cant wait to get out of them. Since they don't have any protection.

Just a follow up, these are the best lens I ever owned after afew hours the difference is apparent. They don't get dirt particles all over them after a few hours, I got 2 rain drops on them and they didn't smear instead came off as full drops of water. They are thin and clear as day, no color hues or any weird oddities. I can't see behind me and there is absolutely no computer glare. Nor is there smudged brightness halos from dirty lens. The coat supposedly last somewhere near 20k wipes, can't test this out just going to have to take their word for it. Chances are they won't make it to that many wipes since I usually change every 2 years at most.

The Crizal Avance definitely sounds like a great lens. Based on what I've been able to read, it sounds like it's as good as anything else out there.

I'm curious how you went about finding someone who would order it for you and how much it wound up costing?

I went to the official Crizal website and located a store in my immediate area. Then I just called up the places on the list till I found the most friendliest and knowledgeable(first one that knew exactly what I was talking about). Price wise the Polycarbonate lens were $129 I think and the "Crizal Advance" treatment was $159. My preseciption is strong as a jump off point might be less if you have a weaker prescription, I don't know how that works. So in total the lens cost me around $288 and they took $40 off on the spot so I ended up paying $248 just for the lens. Which for me isn't that expensive since I wear glasses all day every day, so it is an investment in my comfort and level of visual enjoyment.

It is day 2 and they seem to still be going strong. Just putting on the free pair in comparison which has no protection the different is apparent. Compared to my day 2 experience with lenscrafters they are usually harder to clean and never look as good as they do when they see you out the door, with these on the other hand with little to no work there are no visible streaks or attack of particles floating in the air. Of course I am not an expert either and can only convey what I see.

My only wrinkle is I switched to plastic frames and they are a little challenging to get used to the way they sit on my nose.

I'm glad you are happy with your purchase. Considering that the Lenscrafters Featherwate Complete lenses would cost $325 when I checked, it seems like you got what seems to be a superior lens at a better price.

I also have since found some more promotional information from Crizal about the difference between the Avance and the Featherwate Complete:

Q: LensCrafters® offers AR lenses under the Scotchgard trademark - is this the same technology?
A: No. The AR technology sold by LensCrafters is not Crizal® technology. The lenses sold at LensCrafters
under the Scotchgard name do not offer anti-static technology, do not have the improved
cleanability or topcoat durability, and are only sold in Poly and 1.67.

I did a bit more research and created a thread comparing the quality of various anti-reflective lens treatments.

I'm amazed how much information I've come across in a bit more than a year since I first posted a simple article about eye exam prices!